tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post5528906524250267858..comments2024-03-19T07:48:54.021-06:00Comments on Gus Van Horn: "No State" Tuition for AllGus Van Hornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05126749051688217781noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-67786484060378726342009-11-25T09:03:25.316-06:002009-11-25T09:03:25.316-06:00"I'm a very productive person and my prod..."<i>I'm a very productive person and my productivity is better served overseas.</i>"<br /><br />I'm happy for you, then, that you got the chance through immigration to pursue your education.Gus Van Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126749051688217781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-18590270976343625572009-11-25T08:04:57.590-06:002009-11-25T08:04:57.590-06:00thanks for the response Gus
I enjoyed my time ove...thanks for the response Gus<br /><br />I enjoyed my time overseas and do consider NZ my second home. There are a lot of good things I learnt from living here and good people who I will always cherish. <br /><br />However I have to say I'm a very productive person and my productivity is better served overseas. The idea of welfare is foreign to me. Also the anti-wealth and anti-man mentality is a killer.Monoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-6700560419433800022009-11-25T06:46:36.168-06:002009-11-25T06:46:36.168-06:00Mo,
I don't know about your personal situatio...Mo,<br /><br />I don't know about your personal situation, but it reminds me of one problem open immigration can help alleviate.<br /><br />From past reading, I know that there are lots of good people trapped in Middle Eastern countries (a sad story about a guy in Egypt I recall from, I think, <i>Baghdad without a Map</i> comes to mind) who <i>want</i> to better themselves and can't. <br /><br />People like this being educated here could return to their countries and introduce better ideas and, by example, a superior way of life to their native countries -- if they don't stay and live as productive residents (and perhaps eventually citizens) here.<br /><br />GusGus Van Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126749051688217781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-22762317176867898712009-11-25T03:57:55.719-06:002009-11-25T03:57:55.719-06:00as an immigrant myself to New Zealand I am in supp...as an immigrant myself to New Zealand I am in support of an open immigration policy. Of course the government does create a lot of problems with their welfare dependency and their silly regulations and anti-free trade policies. I do credit the country for allowing me the opportunity to receive a thorough University education although I must admit that the public educational system here is pretty crap compared to back overseas. After finishing my masters I plan to get some experience and go back and work for ExxonMobil, the big "evil" oil company.Monoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-28553306265034832422009-11-24T22:31:43.491-06:002009-11-24T22:31:43.491-06:00Neil,
As I've told you before, residency does...Neil,<br /><br />As I've told you before, <a href="http://gusvanhorn.blogspot.com/2008/01/faith-and-xenophobia.html#c2969405693561658010" rel="nofollow">residency does not equal citizenship</a>. And open <i>immigration</i> is not the same as open <i>borders</i>. A nation does have the right to prevent foreign belligerents out.<br /><br />That said, of course I don't support open borders for Israel<br /><br />GusGus Van Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126749051688217781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-19845156368258977192009-11-24T19:32:51.653-06:002009-11-24T19:32:51.653-06:00Gus,
Do you support open borders for Israel? I m...Gus,<br /><br />Do you support open borders for Israel? I mean if millions of Arabs move there and vote the Jewish government out of existence and allow the Taliban in, would you oppose it?<br /><br />Another example is Greece. Because of its relative prosperity and location, if it adopted open borders it would become Islamic. <br /><br />Say what you want about immigrants, they tend to be of the leftist persuasion.<br /><br />-Neil ParilleNeil Parillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11074901258306769278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-14191524246369846922009-11-24T17:38:03.394-06:002009-11-24T17:38:03.394-06:00"What do you make of the arguments that the h..."<i>What do you make of the arguments that the human-bio-diversity (HBD) advocates make that science shows that different races have different temperments</i>..."<br /><br />The technical term is, "hogwash."<br /><br />That's just determinism with a pseudoscientific facade.<br /><br />"<i>HBDers would argue that even in a society approaching laissez-fairre non-whites (and non-Asians) would as a group still be on the lower end of the achievement scale and that resentment is inevitable.</i>"<br /><br />Let's say, for the sake of argument, that some ethnic group is generally of lower IQ. That is a difference of degree, not of kind. They are no more determined to feel threatened or impressed by the achievements of others than anyone else.<br /><br />Rand never says (that I can recall) what race Eddie Willers was, but he's a good example from fiction of someone of limited ability who definitely does NOT resent people like John Galt or Dagny Taggart.<br /><br />Members of other races are <i>individuals</i>. They will have individual reactions to things of that sort.<br /><br />"<i>I am repeatedly attacked for not being scientific.</i>" <br /><br />You would be amazed at the kinds of ridiculous notions held by many scientists. Determinism is a BIG one. Basically, you can expect many, if not most scientists to equate you with a religious nut if they know you hold that men have free will. And many pseudo-scientists probably latch on to things like determinism, too, since it probably sounds "scientific" to them.<br /><br />Determinism in both guises -- by racists who think that nonwhites resent success, or are criminals; or by scientists who think we're all just a bunch of robots -- is a <i>philosophical</i> notion, not a scientific one. But good luck getting some of these twerps to see that.<br /><br />Also, while we're on the subject of crime and class envy, these are both manifestations of how people act on philosophical ideas. Back in the early 20th century, people could safely sleep outside in Harlem, New York, which was a black area then. (And, lacking AC, people did that.) I bet you couldn't now, and I bet you couldn't in many white areas today, either.<br /><br />"<i>Mass 3rd world immigration seems problematic to me.</i> <br /><br />Done the way Obama would want, it would be. But done rationally, where residence is not the same as citizenship, it would not, to the degree that you really could have <i>mass</i> immigration, in a laissez-faire society.<br /><br />On a final note, I have a question for you to ponder: Does it bother you for a racist to call you unscientific? If so, you might mosey over to <a href="http://gusvanhorn.blogspot.com/2008/02/brimming-with-insight.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a> and consider a fascinating thing Rand once said about people who knock themselves out trying to make unassailable arguments. <br /><br />In a nutshell, some people are going to disagree with you no matter what you say. That's their problem, not yours.<br /><br />Hope that helps, or is at least interesting!Gus Van Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126749051688217781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-76608720841270312002009-11-24T17:03:45.365-06:002009-11-24T17:03:45.365-06:00Gus,
What do you make of the arguments that the h...Gus,<br /><br />What do you make of the arguments that the human-bio-diversity (HBD) advocates make that science shows that different races have different temperments and that history shows that multi-racial societies don't succeed and in fact fail. They base this on research done by Phillip Rushton and others which argue that the different races have different sexual mating "strategies" (K vs R) and that mixing them is dangerous. They also base this on IQ and Executive Function. <br /><br />HBDers would argue that even in a society approaching laissez-fairre non-whites (and non-Asians) would as a group still be on the lower end of the achievement scale and that resentment is inevitable. In essence, they are arguing that there *are* inherent conflict amongst humans. <br /><br />I ask because I am a non-scientist and I have tried to counter these - what I would call - racist arguments with Objectivist principles but I am repeatedly attacked for not being scientific. I also ask because the only anti-immigration arguments that I worry about are those made by the HBDers or the Traditionalists. The rest of the Conservatives are making pro-welfare-state arguments as in "they are stealing our pie" stuff. <br /><br />But the HBDers (and Trads) are saying that non-whites are fundamentally incompatible with whites and will undermine a stable society *and* that *science* proves this. And they have a group of social scientists to back them up (Rushton, Lynn, Murray, Watson, etc.). They also use crime statistics and other social science data to make their arguments. It does in fact seem that there is great anti-white violence being perpetrated by non-whites. I have even seen horrible reports of Asian violence against whites like for example amongst the Hmong Chinese.<br /><br />I am an advocate of laissez fairre and that means open immigration and an individualist republic. But if so many of today's immigrants are tribalistic and today's egalitarian welfare state unleashes the worst elements of today's foreign immigrants, I wonder if immigration should be stalled until we have a healthier culture. Mass 3rd world immigration seems problematic to me.madmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14375140131881725965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-25721618040430374332009-11-24T09:44:33.698-06:002009-11-24T09:44:33.698-06:00"It's like standing in a Coast Guard resc..."<i>It's like standing in a Coast Guard rescue boat in rough seas and kicking in the face anyone who tries to climb the ladder to safety.</i>"<br /><br />What's interesting is WHAT makes people act this way: Altruism.<br /><br />On a subconscious level, people rightly see it as a threat, but since they regard it as a moral ideal, they don't reject it, so they look for ways to scapegoat, like the "You're here illegally," canard, despite the manifest irrationality of our immigration laws.Gus Van Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126749051688217781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-38048321513384565872009-11-24T09:15:25.888-06:002009-11-24T09:15:25.888-06:00The immigration issue seems to push my buttons lik...The immigration issue seems to push my buttons like few others. <br /><br />I guess it's because it's so nakedly mean-spirited and protectionist in nature. It's like standing in a Coast Guard rescue boat in rough seas and kicking in the face anyone who tries to climb the ladder to safety.<br /><br />It's also the "We want our undiluted share of the public loot and you can't have any of it!" attitude. Yea, looting!<br /><br />AND as if that's not enough, the idea that everyone except native Americans came from somewhere else, and may simply have been lucky enough to arrive during a time when we didn't treat immigrants so poorly. I always want to ask such people: "Where did your ancestors come from, did they just pop out of the ground in America?"mtnrunner2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10974435572236740294noreply@blogger.com