tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post6915457836554507145..comments2024-03-19T07:48:54.021-06:00Comments on Gus Van Horn: Quick Roundup 337Gus Van Hornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05126749051688217781noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-49769675815411857492008-06-26T05:34:00.000-06:002008-06-26T05:34:00.000-06:00This equating of subjectivists (who are mostly lef...This equating of subjectivists (who are mostly leftists with Objectivists on this level reminds me of how many leftists will equate conservative commentators like Rush Limbaugh with shock jocks. Both are "offensive", although a shock jock might be rude or cruel, whereas Limbaugh's <I>ideas</I> are regarded as inherently offensive (because they are held out to be objective or correct).<BR/><BR/>In both cases, you have a rejection of objectivity and a demonization of those who are more objective in some respect based on what aspect of reality a particular breed of irrationalist directs most of his animus towards.<BR/><BR/>Religionists don't want to think, and yet want intelligible rules for their lives -- so they castigate people who bring reason to bear on the matter of the existence of God. Leftists oftenn regard themselves as thinkers, but don't want to be constrained by arbitrary rules like (religious commandments). They feel that all ideas are arbitrary and cannot conceive of an objective code of morality.Gus Van Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126749051688217781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-85999781143338131802008-06-26T03:24:00.000-06:002008-06-26T03:24:00.000-06:00Gus,Yes, religionists like Taranto don't recognize...Gus,<BR/><BR/>Yes, religionists like Taranto don't recognize objectivity -- they regard all atheists as essentially subjectivists. While Ayn Rand's morality part of a philosophy called Objectivism, i.e., based on objectivity, that’s merely an empty label that hides that fact that her ethics is essentially no different than, say, the moral relativists who just makes up his own values and ethics. <BR/><BR/>All atheists are essentially subjectivist whim-worshipers who just make up their morality as they go along—because they reject God, the giver of the only true morality as contained in the Bible, they are all essentially the same.<BR/><BR/>Joseph KellardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-52826241279290519202008-06-25T21:39:00.000-06:002008-06-25T21:39:00.000-06:00Agreed.Furthermore, epistemologically, religionist...Agreed.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, epistemologically, religionists can't conceive of objectivity apart from mystic revelation, and so on a psychological level, their feeling of well-being is threatened by anybody who raises doubts about whether there is a God. <BR/><BR/>(This may, come to think of it, just be mostly a re-hashing of what you just said, but I think it's a useful re-hashing.)<BR/><BR/>The Tarantos of the world thus equally despise and equally fear all atheists....Gus Van Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126749051688217781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-81543549006072769562008-06-25T20:40:00.000-06:002008-06-25T20:40:00.000-06:00A fundamental reason religionists such as Taranto ...A fundamental reason religionists such as Taranto paint atheists with one brush is based on their belief in God and His capacities. If, as they believe, God is the giver of the one true morality and wisdom, then to reject Him is to reject morality and knowledge as such. So, of course, anyone who rejects God rejects morality and wisdom He has set in stone. <BR/><BR/>It makes no difference to the Tarantos if an atheist is a subjectivist or an Objectivist--their so-called morality and wisdom is false because they all reject the fundamental giver of the only morality and wisdom that truly exists: God. If God's morality is an absolute, then those who reject him are absolutely all the same--their differences essentially mean nothing.Joseph Kellardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05792444138935346026noreply@blogger.com