tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post8980588047004614911..comments2024-03-19T07:48:54.021-06:00Comments on Gus Van Horn: Friday HodgepodgeGus Van Hornhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05126749051688217781noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-73899408105577810212017-05-15T06:51:38.001-06:002017-05-15T06:51:38.001-06:00Typing "Native Americans" always makes m...Typing "Native Americans" always makes me cringe as well, I just hadn't found a decent alternative. As you said, anyone born in the USA has a claim to the title. The collectivist, ancestral guilt aspect--that we are evil because our ancestors did something wrong--makes the term unpalatable, to say the least! While I acknowledge it's irrelevant to my life, I do find it darkly ironic that my ancestors settled in what was, at the time, a poisonous swamp no one lived in. They drained the swamp, cultivated it, and eventually put oil wells in it, turning the poison into something that advanced human life. Yet I'm supposed to feel guilty about their actions. <br /><br />My point isn't "My ancestors already paid the debt"; my point is that the collectivists and racists pushing racial guilt can't even be bothered to apply their standards consistently! Which, admittedly, we already knew. <br /><br />You're right that exploration of Amerindian culture is rife with emotional baggage, which makes it difficult to study. There's another aspect that makes it difficult, though. I know North America, and I believe Central and South America, experienced what amounts to an apocalypse with the arrival of Europeans in the 1500s/1600s. I don't blame Europeans; however, it's pretty clear that diseases brought over by Europeans wiped out the existing civilizations in North America. There are numerous records of survivors showing settlers sites of former villages and agricultural lands, for example. And since Amerindians didn't generally have written records, much of their culture is simply gone. These two issues--the collectivist nonsense and the catastrophic loss of life in those civilizations--make this a very difficult topic to delve into. <br /><br />The production of maize is certainly an interesting area of research! My encounter with it is in the form of dental work. Maize has a relatively high sugar content, and you can identify when it entered into a population's diet by noting the prevalence of cavities in their teeth (at least in the Desert Southwest). Dinwarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06138006602385020048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-21110445534002590142017-05-13T05:00:24.402-06:002017-05-13T05:00:24.402-06:00Snedcat,
Your comment reminds me of some survival...Snedcat,<br /><br />Your comment reminds me of some survival advice I got before I briefly transplanted to Boston: Look for soul food restaurants. <br /><br />This proved unnecessary since (a) I could already cook what I wanted and quickly figured out the rest (Examples: A friend with a garden gave me green tomatoes so I could develop a fried green tomato recipe, and I used shrimp/crab while developing etouffee until I though it worthwhile to mail order crawfish.), (b) I learned that "swai" was a regulation-mandated substitute for catfish, and (c) Southern cooking had become fashionable enough that I could go to the ethnic foods aisle at Shaw's and find "Southern Cuisine," which made me smile for more than one reason. <br /><br />GusGus Van Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126749051688217781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-13857877656957252852017-05-13T03:06:19.093-06:002017-05-13T03:06:19.093-06:00Yo, Gus, you write, “I am willing to concede that ...Yo, Gus, you write, “I am willing to concede that ‘Indian’ is an unfortunate and confusing term, and so prefer ‘Amerindian.’ It both admits and corrects the error, and avoids committing an injustice against an entire civilization.”<br /><br />First, just a note: In linguistics their languages are simply called <a href="%E2%80%9D" rel="nofollow">“American languages.”</a>. Of course, in a very real sense English, French, Spanish, and Portuguese are American languages too, but it’s the simplest way of referring to them.<br /><br />In any case, Amerindian agriculture is actually of some interest to historians and anthropologists—the spread of maize is quite interesting in what it tells us about trade routes as well as ethnobotany, for example. (For example, maize by itself is nutrition-deficient. One way to get around the problem is, basically, to make grits; another is to eat maize and peas together; you can even grow them together, as many Amerindian peoples did, so that the corn stalks provide supports for the vines of the peas. It’s interesting to consider what observations and experiences led to such techniques.) More than that, it’s important to the history of the American South, which is a major scene of mutual borrowings among three culture groups, English, West African, and Southeast Amerindian.<br /><br />Basically, what is called “soul food” has a very large component of Amerindian ethnobotany to it. It was in the early 1700s, you see, that the black population in the South started surpassing the white population (1708-1709 in South Carolina, for example). However, black slaves made up only about ¾ to 4/5 of the slave population; the balance were Amerindians, war captives sold to the English colonists by their Amerindian allies. And unlike the black slaves, for whom young men were preferred, women were preferred for Amerindian slaves because they were less likely than Amerindian men to run away and try to pass through the allied peoples’ territories to return home. Naturally, the slaves raised families, and this was a major route by which Amerindian botanical knowledge entered both “soul food” and (not an entirely different cuisine) “Southern cooking.” (The major African contributions to Southern agricultural knowledge include rice cultivation, indigo cultivation, and West African cattle-raising techniques—this is thought to be why we talk about “cowboys” rather than “cowmen,” for example.) This is not to say it’s the only route by which Amerindian botany entered American culture—there was of course also intermarriage of the English and Amerindians. Linguistically, it’s worth noting that many of the borrowed words in English for American plants and animals are Algonquin words, which entered English in New England--squash, succotash, quahog, hominy, pecan, persimmon, and many others. Given the nature of New England society, this was due mostly to trade and intermarriage, not slavery.Snedcatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-46486655691844022282017-05-12T19:48:00.633-06:002017-05-12T19:48:00.633-06:00Dinwar,
Actually, the phrase "native America...Dinwar,<br /><br />Actually, the phrase "native Americans" makes me cringe without fail, because it treats human migration as unnatural, and implies that, whatever sins men of past generations of Europeans committed, their descendants are also guilty. (This sets aside the whole valid question of the relative merits of the civilizations.) As far as I am concerned, anyone born here fits that description. I am willing to concede that "Indian" is an unfortunate and confusing term, and so prefer "Amerindian." It both admits and corrects the error, and avoids committing an injustice against an entire civilization.<br /><br />That said, I can forgive non-leftists for assuming Amerindians are homogeneous. That's usually just an innocent kind of ignorance. It's the multiculturalists who came up with that term I have issue with, and it is they, along with any past bad actors, who make any genuine attempt to explore Amerindian culture fraught with guilt and emotional baggage.<br /><br />You are correct that the idea that "we would choose something because it's GOOD never crosses the minds" of such people probably does also militate against the popularity of an Amerindian cuisine.<br /><br />That said, you might find the <a href="https://gusvanhorn.blogspot.com/2016/07/friday-four_8.html#2" rel="nofollow">a link from an old post of mine</a> about the ground nut interesting. Perhaps its resistance to Western agricultural methods could prove an illusion after some innovator solves the problems(s) OR a cuisine using the ground nut could become prohibitively expensive and, thus, fashionable.<br /><br />GusGus Van Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126749051688217781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8839412.post-29939757755951472982017-05-12T07:25:17.356-06:002017-05-12T07:25:17.356-06:00I see two problems with popularizing Native Americ...I see two problems with popularizing Native American culture, both stemming from politics/social issues. <br /><br />First, the concept of "Native Americans" being one thing is ridiculous, but it's engrained in how we think of them. If you look at European cuisine we accept as given that there is a wide difference between French, English, German, and Italian food. North America (to say nothing of Central and South America) has a larger surface area and more diverse geography than Europe; we should expect MORE diversity in cultures in North America than we see in Europe. Yet we insist on treating North America as a homogenous entity. This extends beyond food, and beyond the Native American issues--this is the unspoken premise behind every attempt to apply European solutions to American problems. <br /><br />Second, white people are blasted as "appropriating other people's culture" when they embrace aspects of non-European cultures. White people are increasingly expected to allow others to celebrate their cultures, but to keep our filthy hands off them. If some aspect of another culture becomes popular it's seen as polluting that culture, or selling out that culture for the entertainment of rich white people. The idea that we would choose something because it's GOOD never crosses the minds of such Liberal idiots. <br /><br />I would love to know more about Native American foods, in part because their foods arose here. These plants and animals are adapted to the soil and weather conditions of the region. Ignoring the nonsensical concerns of Environmentalists, increasing use of native or traditional crops could save time, effort, and money because those crops are adapted to the region--meaning they can handle the soil, weather, and weeds better than plants adapted to the conditions of other continents. Dinwarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06138006602385020048noreply@blogger.com